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Caps. for my Elitist Options
AS90
#21 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:22:53 AM
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I mod all my guitars, with the exeption of my Elitist. It is the only guitar I have been totally happy with stock.



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Ricochet
#22 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:07:43 AM
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Rex, for some reason I can't access Wymore. But I'd opt for 500K CTS long Audio pots. The long 3-way toggle and mono-output from Switchcraft. Wire I buy in meters myself . Not sure how that converts to feet. I suppose 1.5 feet should do it?
Braided kind from toggle to output and both volume pots. Regular for anything else.
Depends what kind of Harness. My interpretation is he pre-solders everything on a grounding plate or piece of cardboard, leaving you to solder the output and toggle. Not sure tho, but I wouldn't worry about it.
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Rexfordbridge
#23 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:48:28 AM
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There are so many choices for 500K CTS pots. First, I was under the impression that with the Elitist I would need the short shaft. Right or wrong? Does the 500K, Linear Taper, CTS, Split Shaft Pot sound correct? Split or solid? But there are also Audio Taper pots, and push/pull pots. Very confusing!

The switch, "toggle, 3-way toggle, switchcraft". Get the striaight or the right angle?

The jack - "Jack, 1/4, phone, switchcraft"

Wire - "Vintage cloth, covered, 22ga., " Get the one with conducter, braided? Or just plain?
Ricochet
#24 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:05:57 AM
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Rexfordbridge wrote:
There are so many choices for 500K CTS pots. First, I was under the impression that with the Elitist I would need the short shaft. Right or wrong? Does the 500K, Linear Taper, CTS, Split Shaft Pot sound correct? Split or solid? But there are also Audio Taper pots, and push/pull pots. Very confusing!


Generally imports take short shafts, but in this case I wouldn't risk it and opt for the long ones.
You want CTS 500K LOG(arhytmic) not Linear. Split shaft.

Push/pulls are pots with a switchfunction, activated by pushing or pulling the knob.

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The switch, "toggle, 3-way toggle, switchcraft". Get the striaight or the right angle?

The jack - "Jack, 1/4, phone, switchcraft"

Wire - "Vintage cloth, covered, 22ga., " Get the one with conducter, braided? Or just plain?


Yes, Straight.

Yes

Either one. If you think looks under a plastic cover are important get braided. :)

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Steven Lister
#25 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:38:52 PM
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Rexfordbridge wrote:
There are so many choices for 500K CTS pots. First, I was under the impression that with the Elitist I would need the short shaft. Right or wrong? Does the 500K, Linear Taper, CTS, Split Shaft Pot sound correct? Split or solid? But there are also Audio Taper pots, and push/pull pots. Very confusing!

The switch, "toggle, 3-way toggle, switchcraft". Get the striaight or the right angle?

The jack - "Jack, 1/4, phone, switchcraft"

Wire - "Vintage cloth, covered, 22ga., " Get the one with conducter, braided? Or just plain?


????
You do know that a major difference between an regular Epi and an Epi Elite/Elitist is the quality of the pups, wiring, switches, jacks & pots, right? Since you said that budget is important to you, are you sure you want to throw your money at replacing these already high-quality items?

A cap change -- may give you minimal tone variation. But if the $15 PIOs don't buy your nirvana, then neither will replacement pots, wires, switches. Your Elitist PUPs are already USA made Gibsons (50SR & 60ST w/braided wire).

IMO your money is better spent on a good 7 band EQ (Danelectro works great for under $50)..., and then if you're still searching maybe it's time to re-think your entire non-guitar rig (cords to speakers and everything in between). Hope you find the tone you are seeking.

Hit every BLUE NOTE baaaby..., I'm going to play onWhistle
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#26 Posted : Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:24:46 PM
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Steven Lister wrote:
maybe it's time to re-think your entire non-guitar rig (cords to speakers and everything in between). Hope you find the tone you are seeking.


BINGO !!!
sometimes something as simple as a cable, tube, or speaker can make all the difference in the world in your sound.....

Not saying NOT to do the mods, just to think about the "big picture" before you do.
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Rexfordbridge
#27 Posted : Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:01:43 AM
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My goal is just to make this the best guitar that I can make it for little cost. (less than $100). My question is, because I truly don't have all that much experience, will replacing these parts on the guitar make for a better guitar? If I were to compare new parts to old parts, soundwise, would I notice a difference or is this just people talking? Pickups will of course make a difference. Caps seem to make a difference as well. Is this correct?
HarpBoy
#28 Posted : Sunday, November 01, 2009 5:23:15 PM
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Rexfordbridge wrote:
My goal is just to make this the best guitar that I can make it for little cost. (less than $100). My question is, because I truly don't have all that much experience, will replacing these parts on the guitar make for a better guitar? If I were to compare new parts to old parts, soundwise, would I notice a difference or is this just people talking? Pickups will of course make a difference. Caps seem to make a difference as well. Is this correct?


I really don't think you can make this a better guitar; it's already a quality, pro-level guitar. That's what some of us are trying to tell you. You can make it a DIFFERENT guitar, but that doesn't make it better. Don't replace things based on other people's opinions. Even among Gibson's various pickups, not everyone likes the same things. That's why they have a variety of lines of product. Your guitar has quality parts all through it. You can replace them, but you won't make it better, just different.

Cheers


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Ricochet
#29 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 3:21:54 AM
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Good Lord... next they are gonna tell you Gibsons are so good noone needs to replace the hardware, pickups and electronics ever.

Changing to a decent set of caps will give a subtle difference. It's minute, but it's there. I have absolutely no interest in spending 3-to-30 bucks if I could do with 5 cent ceramic discs.
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Rexfordbridge
#30 Posted : Monday, November 02, 2009 7:03:36 AM
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I do understand that this guitar is "pro-level". I guess what it comes down to is that I want to work on the guitar. This will will make it a "different" guitar. It may not necessarily make the guitar better but I will know that the electronics will all be first rate.

As for the caps, I'm just going to with the Orange Drops as they are high quality and cheap.
HarpBoy
#31 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:36:52 AM
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Rexfordbridge wrote:
I do understand that this guitar is "pro-level". I guess what it comes down to is that I want to work on the guitar. This will will make it a "different" guitar. It may not necessarily make the guitar better but I will know that the electronics will all be first rate.

As for the caps, I'm just going to with the Orange Drops as they are high quality and cheap.


Hey, there's nothing wrong with making changes because you like to work on guitars. I was just responding to your initial questions that sounded like you were wanting to make changes based on what you'd heard/read from others.

Enjoy that Goldtop; it's a fabulous guitar.

Cheers


Nick Valensi Riviera P94 2008 - Antique Natural
Elite LP '57 Goldtop 2003
Seagull Artist Portrait CW
Squier '51 Sunburst
1956 Magnatone Varsity Deluxe
Traynor YGM-3 RI
Many, many harmonicas
HarpBoy
#32 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:40:30 AM
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Ricochet wrote:

Changing to a decent set of caps will give a subtle difference. It's minute, but it's there.


I call placebo effect. BigGrin

Cheers

Nick Valensi Riviera P94 2008 - Antique Natural
Elite LP '57 Goldtop 2003
Seagull Artist Portrait CW
Squier '51 Sunburst
1956 Magnatone Varsity Deluxe
Traynor YGM-3 RI
Many, many harmonicas
Ricochet
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14:00 AM
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HarpBoy wrote:
I call placebo effect. BigGrin

Cheers




I call it hands on experience. ;-)
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Rexfordbridge
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:35:18 AM
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Thank you everyone for your help. You have provided a great education.
Rexfordbridge
#35 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:37:37 AM
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Thank you everyone for your help. You have provided a great education.
Ron G
#36 Posted : Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:37:03 AM
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HarpBoy wrote:
I call placebo effect. BigGrin

How many tone junkies does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None - there are no vintage old stock lightbulbs.


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HarpBoy
#37 Posted : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:11:12 PM
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Ricochet wrote:
I call it hands on experience. ;-)


Of course you do. Have you seen this thread? (Not that I expect it to change anyone's mind).

Have a good day.

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Elite LP '57 Goldtop 2003
Seagull Artist Portrait CW
Squier '51 Sunburst
1956 Magnatone Varsity Deluxe
Traynor YGM-3 RI
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Ricochet
#38 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:31:34 AM
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HarpBoy wrote:
Have you seen this thread? (Not that I expect it to change anyone's mind).



Very interesting. I applaud efforts to rationalise bull-teek. But that article sorta proves my point(not that I'm trying to make one).

He doesn't start out well...

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The capacitor thing IS A MYTH. 1. Capacitor Doesn’t Contribute Much...


So, It doesn't do much (on the whole I guess), but it does contribute some thing?

Quote:
One of the reasons why ceramics get a bad rap is because many of the Fenders come with a the 503Z.


No, Ceramic discs get a bad rap because they don't sound as good as a quality cap. The tolerance factor is a laugh.
Surely as someone stating "engineering facts" he has taken tolerance factor out of the equation?

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3. Psychoacoustic effects - Anyone that cares about what something sounds like will be a tinkerer. I have chased my tail on many things. It is easy to convince your mind that a changed part will affect the sound of something. It is only natural and normal. I'd venture to say that some of the folks that think they can hear the difference in a particular capacitor type (capacitance value being the same) are of a breed of folks that are sensitive to various changes in the acoustic environment and have better senses than I do. I've never understood how anyone could have perfect pitch, but they exist. So, I have no disrespect to any audiophile. I'm just stating the engineering facts.


And there you have it. Because some people can't hear it, it doesn't exist...

If you want to throw numbers...I can do that too http://diyaudioprojects....com/sbench102/caps.html

So now what?

What happened to not going by other people's opinion and thrusting your own ears?

(This is not directed specificly at you Harpboy) It's fine if you are a non-believer, but stop treating people like idiots because they can hear differences you can not.
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old scratch
#39 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:42:19 AM
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HarpBoy wrote:
Of course you do. Have you seen this thread? (Not that I expect it to change anyone's mind).


That was an interesting link, thanks.

At the bottom of the page was another link to a discussion of various "tone myths", which was also pretty cool:

http://www.guitarattack.com/mythbusters.htm

I agree with this author that practice is way more important than upgraded parts.

I guess there will always be people who can tell the difference between Brazilian and Indian Rosewood or between boutique caps and stock caps, but I'm glad I can't. It's much cheaper that way...


"Shut up 'n play yer guitar!"

Ron G
#40 Posted : Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:09:19 AM
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I believe the bottom line here is "Your Mileage May Vary". Caps are a very inexpensive mod, assuming one is installing them themselves. So, if you're curious and like to tinker, why not?

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain
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